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	<title>Comments on: Obama should look to Portugal on how to fix schools</title>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@polak I dont think you understood this correctly...</description>
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		<title>By: CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 46 years old, and have had a english education in a foreign country. There are things (like mentality) that make the diference. What I feel is that portuguese people still have there parents who have this mentality and the young generation have dificulty in finding solid support to go on with new ideas without lossing especial values to human kind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 46 years old, and have had a english education in a foreign country. There are things (like mentality) that make the diference. What I feel is that portuguese people still have there parents who have this mentality and the young generation have dificulty in finding solid support to go on with new ideas without lossing especial values to human kind</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Martins, Portugal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Martins, Portugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with miss Alexandra Soares! We are not an example for anybody, believe me! I attend a University, MSc in Physics, and I see that the younger students that arrive each year are not able to do a simple math problem without the help of a computer! &quot;Thinking&quot; has become an obsolete word when you have a bunch of electronic circuits to do it for you - this is the message our Prime Minister is sending... And it&#039;s terrible!!! Also, the &quot;world connection&quot; is not a way to learn that much, you would be surprised with the English (or any other languages, for that matter) most of these &quot;technological advanced people&quot; dominate: it&#039;s terrible, below the minimal requisites to attend a graduation course! I agree with the computer innovation - I don&#039;t agree with the dependence we are creating in our younger generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with miss Alexandra Soares! We are not an example for anybody, believe me! I attend a University, MSc in Physics, and I see that the younger students that arrive each year are not able to do a simple math problem without the help of a computer! &#8220;Thinking&#8221; has become an obsolete word when you have a bunch of electronic circuits to do it for you &#8211; this is the message our Prime Minister is sending&#8230; And it&#8217;s terrible!!! Also, the &#8220;world connection&#8221; is not a way to learn that much, you would be surprised with the English (or any other languages, for that matter) most of these &#8220;technological advanced people&#8221; dominate: it&#8217;s terrible, below the minimal requisites to attend a graduation course! I agree with the computer innovation &#8211; I don&#8217;t agree with the dependence we are creating in our younger generations.</p>
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		<title>By: XADREZISMO : MR. OBAMA, LOOK AT PORTUGAL… PARA RESOLVER PROBLEMAS DAS ESCOLAS AMERICANAS!</title>
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		<dc:creator>XADREZISMO : MR. OBAMA, LOOK AT PORTUGAL… PARA RESOLVER PROBLEMAS DAS ESCOLAS AMERICANAS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] e acad&#233;micos. O pr&#243;prio Barack Obama j&#225; l&#225; publicou textos seus.&#160;O blogue Wikinomics, o qual re&#250;ne uma s&#233;rie de especialistas em mat&#233;rias como economia e novas [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Soares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Soares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Portuguese teacher. I was able to visit a German school late last year. It was both a humbling and enlightening experience.

I didn&#039;t see any laptops, interactive whiteboards or Internet broadband access in the classrooms; I guess the most advanced piece of technology I saw in the classes I observed (not many, unfortunately...) was a good old CD-player. I saw a lot of chalk on blackboards and pictures taken from magazines pinned onto the blackboards. I also saw handwritten transparencies (what a shock!!).

When I was there it was late autumn. It was freezing cold outside (at least for my Portuguese standards). But inside the temperature was always nice and warm, so that everybody could relax and focus on learning on not on trying to keep warm, which is the problem in most schools in Portugal, even the ones with a heating system like the school where I worked for the last three years. Yes, there was a heating system. Yes, we all froze during lessons in winter. Yes, Portugal is not even a very cold country. But the limited budget the school struggled with forced the heating to be kept at a minimum...

And then, going back to my German experience, I saw highly motivated teachers and very interested pupils, who knew how to behave and were really interested in what was going on. I saw 12-year-old pupils who were studying at a level (the English language, which is what I teach) that our pupils only reach by the time they are 16 (and often with difficulty).

There was this one 7th grade class that was supposed to be a &quot;bad&quot; one, and they were still way above most 9th grade classes in Portugal in so many aspects. I saw the teacher struggling because he needed to ask the pupils to be quiet (and they immediately were). A recent study has estimated that the average Portuguese teacher spends 15 minutes of a 45 minute lesson keeping discipline...

So, are you still sure President Obama should be looking at Portugal? Do you know what has happened to many of those cheap laptops? They have been pawned or sold, because people need money for necessaries, like food, you know; or they are lying around useless because kids tend to misuse things, and when they get broken, the warranty does not cover misuse, and guess what, many parents have no money to have them fixed.

Although technology helps a lot, and it is a good thing, and as a teacher I not only recognize it but I try to have my pupils use the Internet to find things on their own and such, I don&#039;t think this is the way to go when so many basics have been left unattended for such a long time... Don&#039;t look to Portugal for a sollution. Look at what northern European countries have done long, long ago. Look at their cultures of work, effort and learning. Believe me, there&#039;s a lot more to it than to laptops, interactive whiteboards or broadband Internet access... My school has just been equipped with all that, how amazing, but next winter, the heating system will remain the same, as I&#039;m sure the limited budget will too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Portuguese teacher. I was able to visit a German school late last year. It was both a humbling and enlightening experience.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see any laptops, interactive whiteboards or Internet broadband access in the classrooms; I guess the most advanced piece of technology I saw in the classes I observed (not many, unfortunately&#8230;) was a good old CD-player. I saw a lot of chalk on blackboards and pictures taken from magazines pinned onto the blackboards. I also saw handwritten transparencies (what a shock!!).</p>
<p>When I was there it was late autumn. It was freezing cold outside (at least for my Portuguese standards). But inside the temperature was always nice and warm, so that everybody could relax and focus on learning on not on trying to keep warm, which is the problem in most schools in Portugal, even the ones with a heating system like the school where I worked for the last three years. Yes, there was a heating system. Yes, we all froze during lessons in winter. Yes, Portugal is not even a very cold country. But the limited budget the school struggled with forced the heating to be kept at a minimum&#8230;</p>
<p>And then, going back to my German experience, I saw highly motivated teachers and very interested pupils, who knew how to behave and were really interested in what was going on. I saw 12-year-old pupils who were studying at a level (the English language, which is what I teach) that our pupils only reach by the time they are 16 (and often with difficulty).</p>
<p>There was this one 7th grade class that was supposed to be a &#8220;bad&#8221; one, and they were still way above most 9th grade classes in Portugal in so many aspects. I saw the teacher struggling because he needed to ask the pupils to be quiet (and they immediately were). A recent study has estimated that the average Portuguese teacher spends 15 minutes of a 45 minute lesson keeping discipline&#8230;</p>
<p>So, are you still sure President Obama should be looking at Portugal? Do you know what has happened to many of those cheap laptops? They have been pawned or sold, because people need money for necessaries, like food, you know; or they are lying around useless because kids tend to misuse things, and when they get broken, the warranty does not cover misuse, and guess what, many parents have no money to have them fixed.</p>
<p>Although technology helps a lot, and it is a good thing, and as a teacher I not only recognize it but I try to have my pupils use the Internet to find things on their own and such, I don&#8217;t think this is the way to go when so many basics have been left unattended for such a long time&#8230; Don&#8217;t look to Portugal for a sollution. Look at what northern European countries have done long, long ago. Look at their cultures of work, effort and learning. Believe me, there&#8217;s a lot more to it than to laptops, interactive whiteboards or broadband Internet access&#8230; My school has just been equipped with all that, how amazing, but next winter, the heating system will remain the same, as I&#8217;m sure the limited budget will too.</p>
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		<title>By: Das richtige Maß der Meinungsfreiheit &#8212; CARTA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Das richtige Maß der Meinungsfreiheit &#8212; CARTA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sowohl der Sch&#252;ler als auch der Lehrer, gesteigert werden kann. Oder m&#252;ssen wir uns von Portugal vormachen lassen wie so etwas [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sowohl der Sch&#252;ler als auch der Lehrer, gesteigert werden kann. Oder m&#252;ssen wir uns von Portugal vormachen lassen wie so etwas [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Computers are a powerful and motivational learning tool. That’s undeniable. I love using them in my classes. But do you prefer a computer or a warm classroom during winter? It’s difficult to use a computer wearing gloves and even more difficult if you didn’t eat anything because both your parents are unemployed. But these are just details, right?
Computers alone can’t teach. You need teachers and the Prime Ministers just don’t realize that. He hates teachers (trauma perhaps?) and the “technological shock” is propaganda! Computers are for the “others” to see, because they only know part of the story. He destroyed public schools.  Kids don’t learn. They spend time at school. He has a whole professional class against his educational policies. Are all they wrong??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Computers are a powerful and motivational learning tool. That’s undeniable. I love using them in my classes. But do you prefer a computer or a warm classroom during winter? It’s difficult to use a computer wearing gloves and even more difficult if you didn’t eat anything because both your parents are unemployed. But these are just details, right?<br />
Computers alone can’t teach. You need teachers and the Prime Ministers just don’t realize that. He hates teachers (trauma perhaps?) and the “technological shock” is propaganda! Computers are for the “others” to see, because they only know part of the story. He destroyed public schools.  Kids don’t learn. They spend time at school. He has a whole professional class against his educational policies. Are all they wrong??</p>
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		<title>By: Rui Ferreira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rui Ferreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A clear case is made in favor of the concept of Edutainment. It&#039;s a much needed article on the global awareness needed to teach our next generation. It flags internationally Portugal&#039;s prime minister José Socrates brave crusade against the separatists of old ways and derogatory thinking patterns.

The article&#039;s author is right in acknowledging all the good work that has been made since Socrates took the helm of the Portuguese Caravel into the new undiscovered country of Education. The model of action was spot on, Portugal&#039;s lead in the technological shock culture was needed to shake away the old and make room for the new, and as the article demonstrates by merging the necessity of Education with the natural appeal of discovery that children of all ages display.

Edutainment is a merging of truths. Its true that schools today are a boring example of life and its also true you need to know how to read Encyclopedia Britannica. These are both poles of truth, but one of them is the correct measure of health on a human being and the other is a symptom of something wrong in the way we do things. Peter Pan&#039;s motto of &quot;We never want to grow up&quot; is perhaps right, maybe that reaction is a defense mechanism against the formating society will undoubtedly impose upon them and make them turn into mindless &quot;I told you so&quot;, negative and criticism, yada yada posters and twitter users alike.

Education must change. The existing model is failing in all fronts and must be refactored into the 21st century in order to promote a new sociological framework for all of us to life freely. Education is not a self contained vessel of dusty knowledge made by old beard man inside a room ready to be passed into the next generations. This reductionary vision is what lead to misguided activities within society that try to mine the efforts of governance. Socrates is under attack by those beard man and woman who are trapped in the never-ending cycles of self defeat. In fact, the very presence of these types of cultural currents in the present is a clear proof of the need to change the path of Education for the future to work, because the current examples of persons that mold our society today are forged out of the old system... and are not quite what they were supposed to be.

Its almost as we don&#039;t know how to educate anymore, perhaps we never did. In many ways its astounding that we could create a country in these conditions, but we did. Portugal will always find a way to break away and move into the next step to the right way. Its our way.

As for the U.S., George Lucas&#039;s Education Foundation Edutopia is one working example today of such efforts already underway, and it has some years behind it already, its a remarkable little experiment that is soon to expand into mainstream America. Its not they don&#039;t have examples too. Its that their own governance also mired evolution. This is a chicken and the egg problem gone wrong, the crazy chicken that lays the crazy eggs but someday wakes up and decides to go sane.

Back to Portugal. We must shop the shame, we must stop the Fado of old. Today we can be a flag of truth to the world. We can sail away again into America and show them that the old country still has some tricks left.

We are back at seas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A clear case is made in favor of the concept of Edutainment. It&#8217;s a much needed article on the global awareness needed to teach our next generation. It flags internationally Portugal&#8217;s prime minister José Socrates brave crusade against the separatists of old ways and derogatory thinking patterns.</p>
<p>The article&#8217;s author is right in acknowledging all the good work that has been made since Socrates took the helm of the Portuguese Caravel into the new undiscovered country of Education. The model of action was spot on, Portugal&#8217;s lead in the technological shock culture was needed to shake away the old and make room for the new, and as the article demonstrates by merging the necessity of Education with the natural appeal of discovery that children of all ages display.</p>
<p>Edutainment is a merging of truths. Its true that schools today are a boring example of life and its also true you need to know how to read Encyclopedia Britannica. These are both poles of truth, but one of them is the correct measure of health on a human being and the other is a symptom of something wrong in the way we do things. Peter Pan&#8217;s motto of &#8220;We never want to grow up&#8221; is perhaps right, maybe that reaction is a defense mechanism against the formating society will undoubtedly impose upon them and make them turn into mindless &#8220;I told you so&#8221;, negative and criticism, yada yada posters and twitter users alike.</p>
<p>Education must change. The existing model is failing in all fronts and must be refactored into the 21st century in order to promote a new sociological framework for all of us to life freely. Education is not a self contained vessel of dusty knowledge made by old beard man inside a room ready to be passed into the next generations. This reductionary vision is what lead to misguided activities within society that try to mine the efforts of governance. Socrates is under attack by those beard man and woman who are trapped in the never-ending cycles of self defeat. In fact, the very presence of these types of cultural currents in the present is a clear proof of the need to change the path of Education for the future to work, because the current examples of persons that mold our society today are forged out of the old system&#8230; and are not quite what they were supposed to be.</p>
<p>Its almost as we don&#8217;t know how to educate anymore, perhaps we never did. In many ways its astounding that we could create a country in these conditions, but we did. Portugal will always find a way to break away and move into the next step to the right way. Its our way.</p>
<p>As for the U.S., George Lucas&#8217;s Education Foundation Edutopia is one working example today of such efforts already underway, and it has some years behind it already, its a remarkable little experiment that is soon to expand into mainstream America. Its not they don&#8217;t have examples too. Its that their own governance also mired evolution. This is a chicken and the egg problem gone wrong, the crazy chicken that lays the crazy eggs but someday wakes up and decides to go sane.</p>
<p>Back to Portugal. We must shop the shame, we must stop the Fado of old. Today we can be a flag of truth to the world. We can sail away again into America and show them that the old country still has some tricks left.</p>
<p>We are back at seas.</p>
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		<title>By: Selma Vedor Fernandes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selma Vedor Fernandes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Portuguese initiative is remarkable and an example that other countries should consider. But, these technological-based initiatives should be encompassed by other changes, like cultural and professional values, attitudes toward learning and teaching. If not, the school system will integrate these initiatives in the old status-quo and a lot of the potential to reform will be lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Portuguese initiative is remarkable and an example that other countries should consider. But, these technological-based initiatives should be encompassed by other changes, like cultural and professional values, attitudes toward learning and teaching. If not, the school system will integrate these initiatives in the old status-quo and a lot of the potential to reform will be lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulo Gingao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulo Gingao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tip for Obama before he takes this advice:

Prepare you teachers before put Laptopts in the classrooms, otherwise they will be your next problem and the unmotivated ones, not the kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tip for Obama before he takes this advice:</p>
<p>Prepare you teachers before put Laptopts in the classrooms, otherwise they will be your next problem and the unmotivated ones, not the kids!</p>
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		<title>By: Gwyn&#8217;s Home &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama becomes second President to use Second Life as a dissemination tool</title>
		<link>http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/obama-should-look-to-portugal-on-how-to-fix-schools/comment-page-2/#comment-298575</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwyn&#8217;s Home &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama becomes second President to use Second Life as a dissemination tool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] no, I&#8217;m not suggesting that Obama copies another idea from Portugal  Just that each presidential staff has their own style of being in Second Life, and it&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Learning in Taiwan, Portugal - Online Education in America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learning in Taiwan, Portugal - Online Education in America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] students through a science project that involved drawing.    Portugal is investing heavily in interactive whiteboards and laptops, writes Don Tapscott on Wikinomics. But what&#8217;s remarkable about seven-year-olds looking up the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Learning in Taiwan, Portugal at Joanne Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learning in Taiwan, Portugal at Joanne Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is investing heavily in interactive whiteboards and laptops, writes Don Tapscott on Wikinomics. But what&#8217;s remarkable about seven-year-olds looking up the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sonia Gabrysova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonia Gabrysova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US education should be rather rethinked in a way of basic mandatory study package, which in my opinion and great experiences is the main reason of US-student gap against other countries. 
Students up to high-school should be allowed only between 10-20% on own subjects selection. Digitalization is a step towards but there is certainly nothing boring about blackboard &amp; chalk, which by the way has proved higher learning score when students copy notes from the teacher, rather saving whole folder on own PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US education should be rather rethinked in a way of basic mandatory study package, which in my opinion and great experiences is the main reason of US-student gap against other countries.<br />
Students up to high-school should be allowed only between 10-20% on own subjects selection. Digitalization is a step towards but there is certainly nothing boring about blackboard &amp; chalk, which by the way has proved higher learning score when students copy notes from the teacher, rather saving whole folder on own PC.</p>
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		<title>By: Statu Quo - webzine de Claudio Carvalho &#124; Falar a verdade na Maia (e no país)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Statu Quo - webzine de Claudio Carvalho &#124; Falar a verdade na Maia (e no país)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fundador e Charmain da empresa nGenera e ainda, prestigiado consultor no mundo dos negócios, aconselhou inclusivé, Barack Obama a “olhar” para Portugal como exemplo na questão da renovação do [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Política com Causas &#124; Falar a verdade na Maia (e no país)</title>
		<link>http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/obama-should-look-to-portugal-on-how-to-fix-schools/comment-page-2/#comment-295980</link>
		<dc:creator>Política com Causas &#124; Falar a verdade na Maia (e no país)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fundador e Charmain da empresa nGenera e ainda, prestigiado consultor no mundo dos negócios, aconselhou inclusivé, Barack Obama a “olhar” para Portugal como exemplo na questão da renovação do [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jose' Neto</title>
		<link>http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/obama-should-look-to-portugal-on-how-to-fix-schools/comment-page-2/#comment-295616</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose' Neto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@netodays    Don Tapscott Mind this gap. Why don&#039;t look to Fins if they have better results? Image here http://tiny.cc/bCZBV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@netodays    Don Tapscott Mind this gap. Why don&#8217;t look to Fins if they have better results? Image here <a href="http://tiny.cc/bCZBV" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/bCZBV</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Meretz</title>
		<link>http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/obama-should-look-to-portugal-on-how-to-fix-schools/comment-page-2/#comment-295394</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Meretz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice but limited project. If not combined with an initiative to move to free software it feels mainly like a national support for this Magalhães company and Microsoft. Learning in school should be free of preparing people for and directing to proprietary software they have to buy after school, because they only know proprietary software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice but limited project. If not combined with an initiative to move to free software it feels mainly like a national support for this Magalhães company and Microsoft. Learning in school should be free of preparing people for and directing to proprietary software they have to buy after school, because they only know proprietary software.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why a computer for each student, when the schools are unable, and if neither have toilet paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why a computer for each student, when the schools are unable, and if neither have toilet paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Nuno Sousa</title>
		<link>http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/obama-should-look-to-portugal-on-how-to-fix-schools/comment-page-2/#comment-295295</link>
		<dc:creator>Nuno Sousa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest, and not mentioned, is the project for the rehabilitation of a large number of portuguese schools by the best portuguese architects.

there are some examples in this website

www.ultimasreportagens.com

It´s name is Parque Escolar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest, and not mentioned, is the project for the rehabilitation of a large number of portuguese schools by the best portuguese architects.</p>
<p>there are some examples in this website</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ultimasreportagens.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ultimasreportagens.com</a></p>
<p>It´s name is Parque Escolar.</p>
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		<title>By: MF</title>
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		<dc:creator>MF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Don, you can learn something else from Portugal: no matter how good things are, a typical Portuguese will always point you the downside. That’s a shame…
Maybe all this Magalhães process wasn’t perfect, but is it possible so many portuguese can only say bad things about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Don, you can learn something else from Portugal: no matter how good things are, a typical Portuguese will always point you the downside. That’s a shame…<br />
Maybe all this Magalhães process wasn’t perfect, but is it possible so many portuguese can only say bad things about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo C.</title>
		<link>http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/obama-should-look-to-portugal-on-how-to-fix-schools/comment-page-2/#comment-295239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricardo C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article can give you a nice picture of the project but it&#039;s not the reality of the country.
The project it&#039;s a good project, a very nice project. But it doesn&#039;t work.
I teach informatics (it&#039;s my secondary activitie) to adults who have access to that computers and 60% doesn&#039;t know how to turn the pc on. And in 50 hours nobody can do miracles, and believe that I try. Just for example: I&#039;m teaching how to use Word 2007 to people who doesn&#039;t know how to move the mouse. There is no organization.

Our basic school it&#039;s not prepared to teach using the computer. 
And the company who made the computers to children (AKA Magalhães) it&#039;s a company that is being investigated because did not paid the taxes. And we are talking of millions of Euros.

And like someone already said that the government program &quot;New Opportunities&quot; it is supposed to re qualify adults who left school without finish the education. They finish in 3 or 4 years the education that (in the &quot;normal&quot; school) normally takes 7 years to finish. It&#039;s hard to explain that in English, but I have students in the parallel education system (called Professional Formation) that were sent by the &quot;New Opportunities&quot; school!!!
Of course that in a few year we will have only people with High School, but what have they learned? Nothing.

The end, simply does not justify the means. We will have a population with diploma but without knowledge.

Our Government is prepared to turn the minimum Mandatory Education to the High School (17/18 years old), right know it&#039;s on 15. Of course that we will have an High School population graduated.

This is complicated, you must live here to understand. Children doesn&#039;t respect the teachers, there are plenty disciplinary problems in the schools and the teacher are forced to pass all the students. Of course there are exceptions, but the rule is to pass everyone.

The article didn&#039;t mentions that the teacher are in battle against the Government policy and that there was plenty teachers manifestations. And our Government simply ignore 100 000 teachers manifestation.

I repeat, the project it&#039;s a good project but it simply doesn&#039;t change anything in the people culture and education, we will have a population with 3 or 4 pc&#039;s at home, but only the young folks will know how to work with them.

We have an estimated population of 10.000.000 people, we have something like 300.000 unemployed people. I don&#039;t have the numbers of children (who doesn&#039;t&#039; work) or the seniors (who doesn&#039;t work too), but I know that we have one of oldest population in Europe. So, how can this 300.000 pay the internet?

Don, come live just one year in Portugal and then see the results of the program. The program is very good, but it has no success in population and by success I mean increase if the literacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article can give you a nice picture of the project but it&#8217;s not the reality of the country.<br />
The project it&#8217;s a good project, a very nice project. But it doesn&#8217;t work.<br />
I teach informatics (it&#8217;s my secondary activitie) to adults who have access to that computers and 60% doesn&#8217;t know how to turn the pc on. And in 50 hours nobody can do miracles, and believe that I try. Just for example: I&#8217;m teaching how to use Word 2007 to people who doesn&#8217;t know how to move the mouse. There is no organization.</p>
<p>Our basic school it&#8217;s not prepared to teach using the computer.<br />
And the company who made the computers to children (AKA Magalhães) it&#8217;s a company that is being investigated because did not paid the taxes. And we are talking of millions of Euros.</p>
<p>And like someone already said that the government program &#8220;New Opportunities&#8221; it is supposed to re qualify adults who left school without finish the education. They finish in 3 or 4 years the education that (in the &#8220;normal&#8221; school) normally takes 7 years to finish. It&#8217;s hard to explain that in English, but I have students in the parallel education system (called Professional Formation) that were sent by the &#8220;New Opportunities&#8221; school!!!<br />
Of course that in a few year we will have only people with High School, but what have they learned? Nothing.</p>
<p>The end, simply does not justify the means. We will have a population with diploma but without knowledge.</p>
<p>Our Government is prepared to turn the minimum Mandatory Education to the High School (17/18 years old), right know it&#8217;s on 15. Of course that we will have an High School population graduated.</p>
<p>This is complicated, you must live here to understand. Children doesn&#8217;t respect the teachers, there are plenty disciplinary problems in the schools and the teacher are forced to pass all the students. Of course there are exceptions, but the rule is to pass everyone.</p>
<p>The article didn&#8217;t mentions that the teacher are in battle against the Government policy and that there was plenty teachers manifestations. And our Government simply ignore 100 000 teachers manifestation.</p>
<p>I repeat, the project it&#8217;s a good project but it simply doesn&#8217;t change anything in the people culture and education, we will have a population with 3 or 4 pc&#8217;s at home, but only the young folks will know how to work with them.</p>
<p>We have an estimated population of 10.000.000 people, we have something like 300.000 unemployed people. I don&#8217;t have the numbers of children (who doesn&#8217;t&#8217; work) or the seniors (who doesn&#8217;t work too), but I know that we have one of oldest population in Europe. So, how can this 300.000 pay the internet?</p>
<p>Don, come live just one year in Portugal and then see the results of the program. The program is very good, but it has no success in population and by success I mean increase if the literacy.</p>
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		<title>By: P2P Foundation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Portuguese digital and collaborative learning revolution</title>
		<link>http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/obama-should-look-to-portugal-on-how-to-fix-schools/comment-page-2/#comment-295207</link>
		<dc:creator>P2P Foundation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Portuguese digital and collaborative learning revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Obama should look to Portugal on how to fix schools - FRUM AUTOHOJE ONLINE</title>
		<link>http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/obama-should-look-to-portugal-on-how-to-fix-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-295206</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama should look to Portugal on how to fix schools - FRUM AUTOHOJE ONLINE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mafalda Moreira Santos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mafalda Moreira Santos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Portuguese, and very proud of this magnificent project that puts my country not only before so many others in terms of use of technology as well as of modernizing and updating education, bringing it into the next level.

But most of all, what satisfies me the most in this program, that i thank Prime Minister José Socrates for, is that children, the next generation is who will benefit from this measure we set today.
And if the future had always been a real concern of all governments, our present days would all be much better. That&#039;s why i welcome everything that will improve future generations as this education policy most certainly does.

This should in fact be set as an example to follow all over the world, as says Dan Tapscott a well renowned specialist in Government policies.

And i only pity my countrymen that try to minimize and put to earth such a good example Portugal is being, only because their political color is different and because they feel that if it&#039;s done by the other party, even if its good for our nation, then it must be set down and criticized.

Above politics, should be people.
Thank you Mr. Prime-Minister. And for the sake of every children around the world, i hope every other governors follow your great example.

This is such a good way to see our money spent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Portuguese, and very proud of this magnificent project that puts my country not only before so many others in terms of use of technology as well as of modernizing and updating education, bringing it into the next level.</p>
<p>But most of all, what satisfies me the most in this program, that i thank Prime Minister José Socrates for, is that children, the next generation is who will benefit from this measure we set today.<br />
And if the future had always been a real concern of all governments, our present days would all be much better. That&#8217;s why i welcome everything that will improve future generations as this education policy most certainly does.</p>
<p>This should in fact be set as an example to follow all over the world, as says Dan Tapscott a well renowned specialist in Government policies.</p>
<p>And i only pity my countrymen that try to minimize and put to earth such a good example Portugal is being, only because their political color is different and because they feel that if it&#8217;s done by the other party, even if its good for our nation, then it must be set down and criticized.</p>
<p>Above politics, should be people.<br />
Thank you Mr. Prime-Minister. And for the sake of every children around the world, i hope every other governors follow your great example.</p>
<p>This is such a good way to see our money spent!</p>
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