Comments on: Collaborative public policy-making, the Freiburg way http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/16/collaborative-public-policy-making-the-freiburg-way/ Exploring How Mass Collaboration Changes Everything Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:07:34 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Wikinomics – Diminishing returns of collaboration http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/16/collaborative-public-policy-making-the-freiburg-way/comment-page-1/#comment-320636 Wikinomics – Diminishing returns of collaboration Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:00:35 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-320636 [...] a system that would allow people to allocate their own time in a structured way (similar to the Freiburg budget example). I’m envisioning a system where resources are finite but can dynamically allocated; where [...] [...] a system that would allow people to allocate their own time in a structured way (similar to the Freiburg budget example). I’m envisioning a system where resources are finite but can dynamically allocated; where [...]

]]> By: Diminishing Returns of Collaboration « Fredzimny’s CCCCC Blog http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/16/collaborative-public-policy-making-the-freiburg-way/comment-page-1/#comment-296146 Diminishing Returns of Collaboration « Fredzimny’s CCCCC Blog Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:46:35 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-296146 [...] a system that would allow people to allocate their own time in a structured way (similar to the Freiburg budget example). I’m envisioning a system where resources are finite but can dynamically allocated; where [...] [...] a system that would allow people to allocate their own time in a structured way (similar to the Freiburg budget example). I’m envisioning a system where resources are finite but can dynamically allocated; where [...]

]]> By: Onderweg naar gemeente 2.0 | Ambtenaar 2.0 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/16/collaborative-public-policy-making-the-freiburg-way/comment-page-1/#comment-293735 Onderweg naar gemeente 2.0 | Ambtenaar 2.0 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:56:17 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-293735 [...] breder en laagdrempeliger worden georganiseerd. Bekijk de voorbeelden van online consultatie in Freiburg (Duitsland) en Wellington (Nieuw-Zeeland) maar [...] [...] breder en laagdrempeliger worden georganiseerd. Bekijk de voorbeelden van online consultatie in Freiburg (Duitsland) en Wellington (Nieuw-Zeeland) maar [...]

]]> By: Notional Slurry » links for 2009-02-24 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/16/collaborative-public-policy-making-the-freiburg-way/comment-page-1/#comment-252452 Notional Slurry » links for 2009-02-24 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:22:27 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-252452 [...] Wikinomics» Blog Archive "Following the completion of the process, all of the individual budgets were aggregated into one single “Citizen’s Budget”, which gave a clear picture of the participants’ wishes for the 2009/2010 municipal budget. [...] [...] Wikinomics» Blog Archive "Following the completion of the process, all of the individual budgets were aggregated into one single “Citizen’s Budget”, which gave a clear picture of the participants’ wishes for the 2009/2010 municipal budget. [...]

]]> By: Alex Marshall http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/16/collaborative-public-policy-making-the-freiburg-way/comment-page-1/#comment-250648 Alex Marshall Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:34:49 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-250648 Twowan and Bart - Thanks to both of you for your thoughts. Twowan - I absolutely agree with you that transparent information is very important. I would love to see more real-time information, and I think that in many instances, government would be more accountable if they knew that citizens had the ability to scrutinize expenditures to the degree you're talking about. Bart - Excellent theoretical questions, and I'm not sure I have the answers either. I don't think the Freiburg case is by any means perfect. But I do think that we're finally seeing some potential that future developments can build upon. As for how well these future developments can address your questions, we'll have to wait and see. Twowan and Bart – Thanks to both of you for your thoughts.

Twowan – I absolutely agree with you that transparent information is very important. I would love to see more real-time information, and I think that in many instances, government would be more accountable if they knew that citizens had the ability to scrutinize expenditures to the degree you’re talking about.

Bart – Excellent theoretical questions, and I’m not sure I have the answers either. I don’t think the Freiburg case is by any means perfect. But I do think that we’re finally seeing some potential that future developments can build upon. As for how well these future developments can address your questions, we’ll have to wait and see.

]]> By: Bart http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/16/collaborative-public-policy-making-the-freiburg-way/comment-page-1/#comment-250644 Bart Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:55:58 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-250644 This will take some time to form a good opinion, but here are my first thoughts. I seem to remember something from high school about the difference between a republic and a democracy being more than just an informed citizenry. I will have to refresh myself on the differences. I like the consensus building possibilities, but the implementation might have jumped into the middle of the process. What I mean is that consensus building is at times more effective when a clear vision and mission is agreed upon in the beginning. The creation of a balanced budget is more a constraint than a vision. What should the city look like in five years? That said it is possible the aggregation of many interest might lead to a shared vision if the construct allows for buy in to be realized at the individual level. The big question seems to be, how does each input become more valuable than a factor determined by the number of votes it receives? How can we enable citizens to take another's input, internalize it, and push forward toward this now shared goal? I will get back with you tomorrow with all the answers. Just joking. This will take some time to form a good opinion, but here are my first thoughts.
I seem to remember something from high school about the difference between a republic and a democracy being more than just an informed citizenry. I will have to refresh myself on the differences. I like the consensus building possibilities, but the implementation might have jumped into the middle of the process. What I mean is that consensus building is at times more effective when a clear vision and mission is agreed upon in the beginning. The creation of a balanced budget is more a constraint than a vision. What should the city look like in five years? That said it is possible the aggregation of many interest might lead to a shared vision if the construct allows for buy in to be realized at the individual level. The big question seems to be, how does each input become more valuable than a factor determined by the number of votes it receives? How can we enable citizens to take another’s input, internalize it, and push forward toward this now shared goal?
I will get back with you tomorrow with all the answers. Just joking.

]]> By: Twowan http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/16/collaborative-public-policy-making-the-freiburg-way/comment-page-1/#comment-250471 Twowan Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:00:56 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2472#comment-250471 Good experiment but, in my opinion, direct democracy begins with information. I want to see the entire accounts, every bill, every pay check, every municipal contract, being presented, in real-time, online for all to examine. Large groups (like citizens of a town) are very good at data mining. It would take them just a few weeks, if not less, to identify all the areas of mismanagement and, possibly, incidents of corruption. Real questions could be asked and elected officials would have to be a lot more careful in their financial planning. We should not judge politicians on what they say that they are going to do but just on what they really do. Twowan. Check my profile. Good experiment but, in my opinion, direct democracy begins with information. I want to see the entire accounts, every bill, every pay check, every municipal contract, being presented, in real-time, online for all to examine. Large groups (like citizens of a town) are very good at data mining. It would take them just a few weeks, if not less, to identify all the areas of mismanagement and, possibly, incidents of corruption. Real questions could be asked and elected officials would have to be a lot more careful in their financial planning. We should not judge politicians on what they say that they are going to do but just on what they really do. Twowan. Check my profile.

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