Comments on: Dealing with backlash in the blogosphere: a personal experience http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/25/dealing-with-backlash-in-the-blogosphere-a-personal-experience/ Exploring How Mass Collaboration Changes Everything Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:21:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Denis Hancock http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/25/dealing-with-backlash-in-the-blogosphere-a-personal-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-222857 Denis Hancock Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:41:50 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2204#comment-222857 Interesting comment Vince. But the thing is I wasn't distracted from his point by his "invective". I was responding directly to the point, made in relation to my post. I think that's a key point here. I wasn't really focused on the tone / language. I was pointing out that, from my perspective, his argument about my post didn't have a lot of credibility, and I explained why, in detail. As noted, I'm fine with dissenting opinion, but I've heard from quite a few people that Ryan missed the mark here. Also, as Ben notes in his comment above, Ryan seemed a tad bit hypocritical... Interesting comment Vince. But the thing is I wasn’t distracted from his point by his “invective”. I was responding directly to the point, made in relation to my post. I think that’s a key point here.

I wasn’t really focused on the tone / language. I was pointing out that, from my perspective, his argument about my post didn’t have a lot of credibility, and I explained why, in detail. As noted, I’m fine with dissenting opinion, but I’ve heard from quite a few people that Ryan missed the mark here.

Also, as Ben notes in his comment above, Ryan seemed a tad bit hypocritical…

]]> By: Ben http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/25/dealing-with-backlash-in-the-blogosphere-a-personal-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-222080 Ben Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:02:32 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2204#comment-222080 Vince, interesting comments. But wouldn't the main point of all this be that Ryan; while commenting freely on various "un-disciplined blogs" as it were, fails to include his own blog? Isn't this just representative of the prevalent poor neo-hipster logic that floats around blogs? Isn't this specifically what Ryan was reaching for with his diatribe shouldn’t he apply his complaint to himself first? What good is trying to make his point if he suddenly stops trying to get his point across? Where was he hoping to take this? Just to get noticed to get another minor project started? Disclaimer: I enjoy reading RH’s posts, I have found his reading suggestions fantastic but one has to admit he lost credibility on this. Vince, interesting comments.

But wouldn’t the main point of all this be that Ryan; while commenting freely on various “un-disciplined blogs” as it were, fails to include his own blog?

Isn’t this just representative of the prevalent poor neo-hipster logic that floats around blogs? Isn’t this specifically what Ryan was reaching for with his diatribe shouldn’t he apply his complaint to himself first?

What good is trying to make his point if he suddenly stops trying to get his point across? Where was he hoping to take this? Just to get noticed to get another minor project started?

Disclaimer: I enjoy reading RH’s posts, I have found his reading suggestions fantastic but one has to admit he lost credibility on this.

]]> By: Vince http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/25/dealing-with-backlash-in-the-blogosphere-a-personal-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-221692 Vince Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:04:25 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2204#comment-221692 You have to realize that Ryan Holiday comes from a very different organizational culture than most people do. Basically, if you have something to say, don't just say it, crow it. Being insulting is not nearly as much of an issue as being both right and amusing is. If you can't hold your audience's attention, why the hell are you writing in the first place? That he changed his tone in his email to you is not surprising. The tones used in email and in blog posts are very different for good reason. One is personal communication, and the other is mass communication. The different purpose necessitates different approaches. Of course, he's not going to explain the things I just said to you. He expects you to know them already. What he said in his blog post had substance, you just refused to see it through the invective. If you don't get it, that's just another reason to mock you. You need to be able to see the greater points behind the invective. If you can't, then you'll never be able to hack it in the Rudius Media world. (Ryan's organization) Just a disclaimer: I came about this post through Ryan's del.icio.us feed. His comment was, "haha," indicating that you still didn't get it and that your fumbling around trying to understand his point is highly amusing. I tend to agree, but I happen to be more forgiving and willing to explain the whys to someone willing to listen. You have to realize that Ryan Holiday comes from a very different organizational culture than most people do. Basically, if you have something to say, don’t just say it, crow it. Being insulting is not nearly as much of an issue as being both right and amusing is. If you can’t hold your audience’s attention, why the hell are you writing in the first place? That he changed his tone in his email to you is not surprising. The tones used in email and in blog posts are very different for good reason. One is personal communication, and the other is mass communication. The different purpose necessitates different approaches.

Of course, he’s not going to explain the things I just said to you. He expects you to know them already. What he said in his blog post had substance, you just refused to see it through the invective. If you don’t get it, that’s just another reason to mock you. You need to be able to see the greater points behind the invective. If you can’t, then you’ll never be able to hack it in the Rudius Media world. (Ryan’s organization)

Just a disclaimer: I came about this post through Ryan’s del.icio.us feed. His comment was, “haha,” indicating that you still didn’t get it and that your fumbling around trying to understand his point is highly amusing. I tend to agree, but I happen to be more forgiving and willing to explain the whys to someone willing to listen.

]]> By: Mark Pegler http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/25/dealing-with-backlash-in-the-blogosphere-a-personal-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-220323 Mark Pegler Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:15:13 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2204#comment-220323 Talk about Backlash. Check this out: http://foarp.blogspot.com/2008/11/chris-devonshire-ellis-is-not-lawyer.html Talk about Backlash. Check this out:

http://foarp.blogspot.com/2008/11/chris-devonshire-ellis-is-not-lawyer.html

]]> By: Denis Hancock http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/25/dealing-with-backlash-in-the-blogosphere-a-personal-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-219630 Denis Hancock Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:13:10 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2204#comment-219630 Clay, That's a good point. I must admit I've focused 99.9% of my attention on the reaction to my post in isolation, and probably should have spent more time checking out the others. Something to add to my list? :) Clay,

That’s a good point. I must admit I’ve focused 99.9% of my attention on the reaction to my post in isolation, and probably should have spent more time checking out the others. Something to add to my list? :)

]]> By: Clay Harkins http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/25/dealing-with-backlash-in-the-blogosphere-a-personal-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-219628 Clay Harkins Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:00:53 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=2204#comment-219628 Although I have to agree that the tone of the post was pretty harsh, the guy does have a point. Some of these blogs are incredibly insular and that sort of twisted perspective often makes them just plain wrong. Although I have to agree that the tone of the post was pretty harsh, the guy does have a point. Some of these blogs are incredibly insular and that sort of twisted perspective often makes them just plain wrong.

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