Comments on: Music legislation: locks and lawsuits are not the answer http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/08/01/music-legislation-locks-and-lawsuits-are-not-the-answer/ Exploring How Mass Collaboration Changes Everything Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:21:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ozzie'n'Harriet http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/08/01/music-legislation-locks-and-lawsuits-are-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-159614 Ozzie'n'Harriet Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:43:43 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1819#comment-159614 Don wrote: "In a sensibly structured Internet-friendly music industry, consumers would no longer download songs at a fixed price per tune, but would instead pay a moderate amount each month to listen to an unlimited number of tunes streamed to them over the Internet. I’d happily pay a few dollars per month to get access anytime, on any device, anywhere, to any music ever recorded. With high-speed wireless Internet service becoming available throughout the country, around-the-clock high-quality streaming audio is now practical. The newer cellular phones can already receive streaming television shows and videos. It would be easy to add on streaming audio as a feature. Call it Everywhere Internet Audio. It’s where we should be focussing our energies." Don, have you considered the effects of throttling, speed limits, cap limits and overage charges, and DPI that many of the major ISP's in Canada are now implementing? Have you considered the inherent conflict of interest when you have common carriers acting as ISP's and content providers, and prioritizing traffic for their own services at the expense of independent ISP's and 3rd-party stores? (see Bell's recent actions vis. independent ISP's and Bell's 'new' onine video store. Don wrote:
“In a sensibly structured Internet-friendly music industry, consumers would no longer download songs at a fixed price per tune, but would instead pay a moderate amount each month to listen to an unlimited number of tunes streamed to them over the Internet. I’d happily pay a few dollars per month to get access anytime, on any device, anywhere, to any music ever recorded.

With high-speed wireless Internet service becoming available throughout the country, around-the-clock high-quality streaming audio is now practical. The newer cellular phones can already receive streaming television shows and videos. It would be easy to add on streaming audio as a feature. Call it Everywhere Internet Audio. It’s where we should be focussing our energies.”

Don, have you considered the effects of throttling, speed limits, cap limits and overage charges, and DPI that many of the major ISP’s in Canada are now implementing?

Have you considered the inherent conflict of interest when you have common carriers acting as ISP’s and content providers, and prioritizing traffic for their own services at the expense of independent ISP’s and 3rd-party stores? (see Bell’s recent actions vis. independent ISP’s and Bell’s ‘new’ onine video store.

]]> By: Russell McOrmond http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/08/01/music-legislation-locks-and-lawsuits-are-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-159456 Russell McOrmond Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:16:15 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1819#comment-159456 Miguel, Radio is not "free" -- it is paid for through advertising. It is a model that works well in a lot of situations. In other situations audiences want to pay themselves to avoid the commercials. I am a subscriber to eMusic for both music and audio books, and it is great. Most of the people I talk to would pay for copyrighted content if it was offered in the right manner (IE: right time, right file formats, etc). I would love to replace my expensive cable TV service with subscribing to content directly from the producers in a standard file format I can use (IE: if it is infected by DRM, I'm not going to pay for it as it won't work on my devices). For a lot of the content I want, it isn't made available to me at a time or in a format that is useful for me. Where is that "buy me now" button for Copyright? http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/4755 Miguel,

Radio is not “free” — it is paid for through advertising. It is a model that works well in a lot of situations. In other situations audiences want to pay themselves to avoid the commercials.

I am a subscriber to eMusic for both music and audio books, and it is great. Most of the people I talk to would pay for copyrighted content if it was offered in the right manner (IE: right time, right file formats, etc).

I would love to replace my expensive cable TV service with subscribing to content directly from the producers in a standard file format I can use (IE: if it is infected by DRM, I’m not going to pay for it as it won’t work on my devices).

For a lot of the content I want, it isn’t made available to me at a time or in a format that is useful for me.

Where is that “buy me now” button for Copyright?
http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/4755

]]> By: Don http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/08/01/music-legislation-locks-and-lawsuits-are-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-159427 Don Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:02:21 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1819#comment-159427 Miguel, I have a hard time believing that you’d want to own your own collection of music as opposed to have access to every piece of music ever recorded, for a nominal monthly fee. At a certain point, having to keep track of all that music yourself becomes a burden rather than an advantage. In the end, the user experience will determine whether or not people make the switch to a subscription model. You’ll have your device in your pocket that lets you listen to your library, on demand, wherever you are, and I’ll have my device, that lets me listen to any piece of music ever record, on demand, wherever I am. Sure, I’ll be paying five dollars a month for that, and I’ll lose access to all of that music if I stop paying, but as long as I’m bought-in, it’s a much better value proposition -- one that I think you may have difficulty rejecting someday soon. As for the security being cracked, what’s the point of stealing something you already have access to? I don’t think that people will take issue with paying for access to content, so long as the price is fair to both the consumer and the artist. Having said that, DRM has already failed, so maybe content distributors will have to come up with a way to trust their end users. Miguel, I have a hard time believing that you’d want to own your own collection of music as opposed to have access to every piece of music ever recorded, for a nominal monthly fee. At a certain point, having to keep track of all that music yourself becomes a burden rather than an advantage. In the end, the user experience will determine whether or not people make the switch to a subscription model. You’ll have your device in your pocket that lets you listen to your library, on demand, wherever you are, and I’ll have my device, that lets me listen to any piece of music ever record, on demand, wherever I am. Sure, I’ll be paying five dollars a month for that, and I’ll lose access to all of that music if I stop paying, but as long as I’m bought-in, it’s a much better value proposition — one that I think you may have difficulty rejecting someday soon.

As for the security being cracked, what’s the point of stealing something you already have access to? I don’t think that people will take issue with paying for access to content, so long as the price is fair to both the consumer and the artist. Having said that, DRM has already failed, so maybe content distributors will have to come up with a way to trust their end users.

]]> By: Miguel http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/08/01/music-legislation-locks-and-lawsuits-are-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-158475 Miguel Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:11:01 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1819#comment-158475 I agree with you dislike of C-61. But I'm sorry I can't see people wanting to pay even $5 a month for the RIGHT to listen to music. That is assuming internet access is available where we are, cell phone coverage is not ubiquitous. Not to mention, all the additional costs of subscribing to wireless data plans, of which the costs are out of this world. In any case isn't what you suggest just a fancy way of describing a radio station, which btw is FREE. I know that for myself, I would never ever subscribe to a music subscription service. I would be completely happy listening to the music songs that I currently OWN. In any case, the so-called "security" will be cracked within days and people will once again have their music for free and be able to play their music anywhere, anytime, and not have to wonder if my wireless connection will work. And once again its the same situation. I agree with you dislike of C-61. But I’m sorry I can’t see people wanting to pay even $5 a month for the RIGHT to listen to music. That is assuming internet access is available where we are, cell phone coverage is not ubiquitous. Not to mention, all the additional costs of subscribing to wireless data plans, of which the costs are out of this world.

In any case isn’t what you suggest just a fancy way of describing a radio station, which btw is FREE.

I know that for myself, I would never ever subscribe to a music subscription service. I would be completely happy listening to the music songs that I currently OWN.

In any case, the so-called “security” will be cracked within days and people will once again have their music for free and be able to play their music anywhere, anytime, and not have to wonder if my wireless connection will work. And once again its the same situation.

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