Comments on: The Underbelly of Open Source: SPORN http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/ Exploring How Mass Collaboration Changes Everything Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:21:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Brittany Creamer http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-159498 Brittany Creamer Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:19:16 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-159498 While I agree with Jeff that the images are comical and hardly biological looking, I think the point is that we aren't concerned with whoever chooses to make them (to each his own), but rather the young kids surfing YouTube unsupervised who view them. Maybe a dancing, cartoon phallus will not corrupt the minds of children, but who knows what else they may find once they are inside the adults-only section? While I agree with Jeff that the images are comical and hardly biological looking, I think the point is that we aren’t concerned with whoever chooses to make them (to each his own), but rather the young kids surfing YouTube unsupervised who view them. Maybe a dancing, cartoon phallus will not corrupt the minds of children, but who knows what else they may find once they are inside the adults-only section?

]]> By: Jeff DeChambeau http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-159478 Jeff DeChambeau Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:39:52 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-159478 Justin, you're right that it could be flagged by the community and you could split things up into 18+ and family friendly, but I think that's a mistake. So what if the kids are making things that look vaguely biological? I don't think it's going to rot their minds or turn them into deviants. The whole thing strikes me as a bunch of people just looking for something to get worked up over. Justin, you’re right that it could be flagged by the community and you could split things up into 18+ and family friendly, but I think that’s a mistake. So what if the kids are making things that look vaguely biological? I don’t think it’s going to rot their minds or turn them into deviants. The whole thing strikes me as a bunch of people just looking for something to get worked up over.

]]> By: Callie O'Neill http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-159442 Callie O'Neill Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:44:49 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-159442 I agree with Brittany. Youtube's adult feature isn't secure enough... any kid can just click the "Yes, I'm 18" button. Another site would be much better for hosting the sporn. I agree with Brittany. Youtube’s adult feature isn’t secure enough… any kid can just click the “Yes, I’m 18″ button. Another site would be much better for hosting the sporn.

]]> By: Brittany Creamer http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-159426 Brittany Creamer Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:56:33 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-159426 Maybe YouTube is not the right place for sporn. Perhaps sporn would be better suited for YouPorn. Though it would be a little more awkward to show your colleagues the ridiculous little dancing body part you found, the adult content would be available on a site a child has probably never even heard of instead of on a site where anyone (the children) can simply check yes that they are of age to gain access to the material. Maybe YouTube is not the right place for sporn. Perhaps sporn would be better suited for YouPorn. Though it would be a little more awkward to show your colleagues the ridiculous little dancing body part you found, the adult content would be available on a site a child has probably never even heard of instead of on a site where anyone (the children) can simply check yes that they are of age to gain access to the material.

]]> By: Justin Papermaster http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-159417 Justin Papermaster Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:44:57 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-159417 Jeff, That is an interesting point. There is no way for the system to filter the sporn by its self. I think it would be possible for the game creators to designate an area for 18+ year old gamers and one that is family safe. Users could then flag inappropriate characters that are in the family area for removal. They could employ a system similar to the YouTube community. This way everyone can be happy... Jeff,

That is an interesting point. There is no way for the system to filter the sporn by its self. I think it would be possible for the game creators to designate an area for 18+ year old gamers and one that is family safe. Users could then flag inappropriate characters that are in the family area for removal. They could employ a system similar to the YouTube community. This way everyone can be happy…

]]> By: Jeff DeChambeau http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-158833 Jeff DeChambeau Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:19:00 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-158833 Mark: I don't think that that's possible. People aren't actually creating explicit content, they're just making creatures that look a lot like various organs. The system can't tell that monster X looks like body part Y. Trying to put an explicit content filter on a game like this would be the same as trying to say that play-doh should have an adults-only setting. Mark: I don’t think that that’s possible. People aren’t actually creating explicit content, they’re just making creatures that look a lot like various organs. The system can’t tell that monster X looks like body part Y. Trying to put an explicit content filter on a game like this would be the same as trying to say that play-doh should have an adults-only setting.

]]> By: Lawrence Chen http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-158300 Lawrence Chen Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:58:47 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-158300 I agree with Daniel. There definitely needs to be some sort of flag for these pornographic characters so young children won't be seeing them. I agree with Daniel. There definitely needs to be some sort of flag for these pornographic characters so young children won’t be seeing them.

]]> By: Mark S. http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-158243 Mark S. Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:35:44 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-158243 I think EA should create an adult setting. This way kids won't be exposed to explicit content during game play, and adults can have complete creative freedom. I think EA should create an adult setting. This way kids won’t be exposed to explicit content during game play, and adults can have complete creative freedom.

]]> By: Daniel J. Pritchett http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-158229 Daniel J. Pritchett Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:03:50 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-158229 Justin, I talked this over with my wife (big Spore fan) and she reminded me that the creatures were supposed to automatically show up in other players' games. EA will have to validate each kid-safe critter they release into the general population now if they want to avoid a "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_mod" rel="nofollow">Hot Coffee</a>" crisis when Spore launches. It's good for them that they are proactively handling this, even if it is a heavy-handed approach. Justin,

I talked this over with my wife (big Spore fan) and she reminded me that the creatures were supposed to automatically show up in other players’ games. EA will have to validate each kid-safe critter they release into the general population now if they want to avoid a “Hot Coffee” crisis when Spore launches.

It’s good for them that they are proactively handling this, even if it is a heavy-handed approach.

]]> By: Justin Papermaster http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-157829 Justin Papermaster Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:07:16 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-157829 Daniel, I completely agree that there is no need for a "spornish inquisition." The adult feature on YouTube is a viable solution to the controversy. The problem I have with the sporn is that creators didn't pick a proper venue to display their "art." A large portion of the audience searching for spore characters on Youtube are children well under the age of 18. Many people who posted their sporn didn't distinguish it as anything different from a normal spore character. As a result many children were exposed to the explicit characters. The reaction by EA and YouTube may have been a little strong, but I applaud them for ensuring that YouTube remains a place suitable for all to participate in. Daniel,

I completely agree that there is no need for a “spornish inquisition.” The adult feature on YouTube is a viable solution to the controversy. The problem I have with the sporn is that creators didn’t pick a proper venue to display their “art.” A large portion of the audience searching for spore characters on Youtube are children well under the age of 18. Many people who posted their sporn didn’t distinguish it as anything different from a normal spore character. As a result many children were exposed to the explicit characters. The reaction by EA and YouTube may have been a little strong, but I applaud them for ensuring that YouTube remains a place suitable for all to participate in.

]]> By: Jude Fiorillo http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-157792 Jude Fiorillo Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:35:52 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-157792 I enjoyed reading that for the laughs, but also for the truth behind your words. I agree with you that when people are enabled with tools, they'll use those tools entirely as they want. I remember when the Mii creator was released before the Wii, people were making things like hitler and stalin avatars. Can't stop laughing at 'sporn' and 'Spornish Inquisition.' Good read. I enjoyed reading that for the laughs, but also for the truth behind your words. I agree with you that when people are enabled with tools, they’ll use those tools entirely as they want. I remember when the Mii creator was released before the Wii, people were making things like hitler and stalin avatars.

Can’t stop laughing at ‘sporn’ and ‘Spornish Inquisition.’ Good read.

]]> By: skeleton http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-157781 skeleton Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:06:11 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-157781 As someone who is endlessly amused by hentai, i find this spectacular. One of my favorite hentai spoofs is this 'interview' with two hentai characters. The real life dynamic between the school girl and the tentacle monster is quite different than what you'd expect. Poor guy is totally brow beaten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_15pwhMJjk higher quality version: http://blip.tv/file/390841?filename=SeattleUntimely-September21st2007ThePornInterview426.mov "I need to find myself a real squid" As someone who is endlessly amused by hentai, i find this spectacular.

One of my favorite hentai spoofs is this ‘interview’ with two hentai characters. The real life dynamic between the school girl and the tentacle monster is quite different than what you’d expect. Poor guy is totally brow beaten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_15pwhMJjk

higher quality version:

http://blip.tv/file/390841?filename=SeattleUntimely-September21st2007ThePornInterview426.mov

“I need to find myself a real squid”

]]> By: Daniel J. Pritchett http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/31/the-underbelly-of-open-source-sporn/comment-page-1/#comment-157777 Daniel J. Pritchett Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:55:36 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/?p=1812#comment-157777 Doesn't Youtube have a "flag as adult" feature? I would think it better to hide Spore critters flagged as "adult" behind a "you must be 18 to enter" wall than to eradicate it completely. I guess it's EA's and Youtube's collective right to decide what stays and what goes, but I don't think this Spornish Inquisition is doing anyone any favors. Doesn’t Youtube have a “flag as adult” feature? I would think it better to hide Spore critters flagged as “adult” behind a “you must be 18 to enter” wall than to eradicate it completely.

I guess it’s EA’s and Youtube’s collective right to decide what stays and what goes, but I don’t think this Spornish Inquisition is doing anyone any favors.

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