Comments on: The future of the “nation” http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/ Exploring How Mass Collaboration Changes Everything Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:21:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Wikinomics » Blog Archive » China’s net nation http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-156361 Wikinomics » Blog Archive » China’s net nation Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:56:58 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/#comment-156361 [...] I wrote back in January, the rise of the Net and its ability to engage citizens is equally applicable to globalist or [...] [...] I wrote back in January, the rise of the Net and its ability to engage citizens is equally applicable to globalist or [...]

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]]> By: Dan Herman http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-80389 Dan Herman Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:36:39 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/#comment-80389 Hello Jan, thanks for your comments. As a Belgian myself, I'm glad you found our site! As for your comments, the origins of Alexander Graham Bell and the telephone aside, I would say that the point of the "new economy" is that it specifically allows developing countries to either adapt the technologies created abroad, or to create their own - the growth of innovation from the South (though still a fraction of overall) is proof of this. And while actual invention may still lie predominantly in the North, the gap between invention and incremental adaptation is increasingly short. Cheers. DH. Hello Jan, thanks for your comments. As a Belgian myself, I’m glad you found our site!

As for your comments, the origins of Alexander Graham Bell and the telephone aside, I would say that the point of the “new economy” is that it specifically allows developing countries to either adapt the technologies created abroad, or to create their own – the growth of innovation from the South (though still a fraction of overall) is proof of this. And while actual invention may still lie predominantly in the North, the gap between invention and incremental adaptation is increasingly short.

Cheers. DH.

]]> By: Jan http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-78512 Jan Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:54:25 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/#comment-78512 Being from Belgium and just read your book... First I would like to comment on : "regions previously outside of the scope of economic development can suddenly network their way onto the global trading floor" Flanders used to be the apple of the world The history of Bruges (http://www.brugge.be/internet/en/toerisme/index.htm) can point you to this. I would rather refer to "the wheels of commerce" from Braudel (http://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Commerce-Civilization-Capitalism-15Th-18th/dp/0520081153) to explane the shift in world economics and relations. Where WEB 2.0 would be interesting to investigate in Belgian politics is the importance of populism. Traditional 1.0 media did take away the power from the inter-media groups (social organizations) and strengthened the believe that civilians could directly involve into politics. Now we see another move where social groups are replaced (is it ?) by web 2.0 communities. Speaking of flanders again you state: "Technology has enabled a new economic model that could build power where none previously existed". I can say Belgium had the first railroad in the world, we invented the telephone (Bell) and these days we are on top of nano-technology, Embryonic Stam Cell research, and many others. Considering Bourdieu we could argue that only the "advanced" regions can afford to experience new technologies in the hope they can keep their lead. Not, as you seem to argue to brigde the gap. Anyhow, I loved your book. Being from Belgium and just read your book…

First I would like to comment on : “regions previously outside of the scope of economic development can suddenly network their way onto the global trading floor”

Flanders used to be the apple of the world The history of Bruges (http://www.brugge.be/internet/en/toerisme/index.htm) can point you to this. I would rather refer to “the wheels of commerce” from Braudel (http://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Commerce-Civilization-Capitalism-15Th-18th/dp/0520081153) to explane the shift in world economics and relations.

Where WEB 2.0 would be interesting to investigate in Belgian politics is the importance of populism. Traditional 1.0 media did take away the power from the inter-media groups (social organizations) and strengthened the believe that civilians could directly involve into politics. Now we see another move where social groups are replaced (is it ?) by web 2.0 communities.

Speaking of flanders again you state: “Technology has enabled a new economic model that could build power where none previously existed”. I can say Belgium had the first railroad in the world, we invented the telephone (Bell) and these days we are on top of nano-technology, Embryonic Stam Cell research, and many others. Considering Bourdieu we could argue that only the “advanced” regions can afford to experience new technologies in the hope they can keep their lead. Not, as you seem to argue to brigde the gap.

Anyhow, I loved your book.

]]> By: Dan Herman http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-78495 Dan Herman Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:20:31 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/#comment-78495 Well it's probably not that far off... a friend of mine argues that we're in the midst of a return to the city state... Toronto could probably survive, it's of the go it alone type given the financial sector, and just imagine if we kept the entire 5% GST instead of sending it back to Ottawa - would likely make for quite a nice investing into the TTC! Well it’s probably not that far off… a friend of mine argues that we’re in the midst of a return to the city state… Toronto could probably survive, it’s of the go it alone type given the financial sector, and just imagine if we kept the entire 5% GST instead of sending it back to Ottawa – would likely make for quite a nice investing into the TTC!

]]> By: Ben http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-78483 Ben Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:03:48 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/the-future-of-the-nation/#comment-78483 Only tangentially related to your point: I live in a large city (Toronto) that is routinely neglected by all levels of government. Some people here advocate the separation of the city. It is interesting; we probably wouldn't fare too well, but considering the percentage of the governments tax base we make up, I don't think that the rest of Canada would do very well either. Only tangentially related to your point:

I live in a large city (Toronto) that is routinely neglected by all levels of government. Some people here advocate the separation of the city.

It is interesting; we probably wouldn’t fare too well, but considering the percentage of the governments tax base we make up, I don’t think that the rest of Canada would do very well either.

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