Comments on: The long tail of languages http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/ Exploring How Mass Collaboration Changes Everything Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:21:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Os idiomas mais usados na Internet « bloco de notas http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-289520 Os idiomas mais usados na Internet « bloco de notas Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:49:32 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-289520 [...] em PT-br para ver que este posto se deve a esta comunidade. Obrigado. Fonte: articulo completo, aqui.   Comentários [...] [...] em PT-br para ver que este posto se deve a esta comunidade. Obrigado. Fonte: articulo completo, aqui.   Comentários [...]

]]> By: Not English, but a multilingual social web is the key for collaboration : crisscrossed blog http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-255189 Not English, but a multilingual social web is the key for collaboration : crisscrossed blog Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:32:51 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-255189 [...] this multilingual web? It needs a high language skill to collaborate effectively and creatively. A long tail of language has emerged. The future focus should be on networks with cross language interaction. Each language [...] [...] this multilingual web? It needs a high language skill to collaborate effectively and creatively. A long tail of language has emerged. The future focus should be on networks with cross language interaction. Each language [...]

]]> By: Jon http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-246634 Jon Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:52:20 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-246634 There is an even bigger issue here. Multlingual websites face the dilemna of offering their language options using either ISO codes for languages ie EN FR DE ES OR using national flags. The latter is incorrect since flags denote countries not languages BUT CAN YOU BLAME any websdesigner for choosing to use a graphical symbol which is clearly noticeable rather than two letter codes which do not catch the eye. The WWW is global, this implies different countries and different languages. The WWW is also about business and commerce - businesses do not like risking losing customers with five second attention spans who will not search for language letter codes. Its about time the WWW standards commities stopped ignoring this major issue and put forward a globally recognised eyecatching symbol to indicate the presence of a language selection mechanism. Please note I did not say that the symbol should be part of the selection procedure, leave that to the webdesigner. What I say is that the symbol should indicate the presence of a selection mechanism in a clear and eyecatching fashion. The image should also be supported by an HTML tag for blind users. Browsers could react to the tag as well as display the graphical image. Call it the World Wide Web? Tackle this issue before we claim this - right now its a mess. Just take a look at the feeble attempt to denote the English language by a diagonally split USA and UK flag? What socio political message does this send out to Australians, New Zealanders and any of the other millions of English speakers who are neither American or British. Seperate out nationality and politics from language selection! Jon There is an even bigger issue here.

Multlingual websites face the dilemna of offering their language options using either ISO codes for languages ie

EN FR DE ES

OR using national flags.

The latter is incorrect since flags denote countries not languages BUT CAN YOU BLAME any websdesigner for choosing to use a graphical symbol which is clearly noticeable rather than two letter codes which do not catch the eye.

The WWW is global, this implies different countries and different languages.

The WWW is also about business and commerce – businesses do not like risking losing customers with five second attention spans who will not search for language letter codes.

Its about time the WWW standards commities stopped ignoring this major issue and put forward a globally recognised eyecatching symbol to indicate the presence of a language selection mechanism.

Please note I did not say that the symbol should be part of the selection procedure, leave that to the webdesigner. What I say is that the symbol should indicate the presence of a selection mechanism in a clear and eyecatching fashion.

The image should also be supported by an HTML tag for blind users.

Browsers could react to the tag as well as display the graphical image.

Call it the World Wide Web?

Tackle this issue before we claim this – right now its a mess.

Just take a look at the feeble attempt to denote the English language by a diagonally split USA and UK flag? What socio political message does this send out to Australians, New Zealanders and any of the other millions of English speakers who are neither American or British.

Seperate out nationality and politics from language selection!

Jon

]]> By: Tel http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-136185 Tel Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:09:45 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-136185 I predict that Engrish will become the world language in less than 100 years. I predict that Engrish will become the world language in less than 100 years.

]]> By: Wikinomics » Blog Archive » The long tail of language - Part II http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-109338 Wikinomics » Blog Archive » The long tail of language - Part II Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:01:27 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-109338 [...] long tail of language - Part II Back in November my New Paradigm colleague Paul blogged about the impact of the Net on language, in particular noting the massive dominance of information [...] [...] long tail of language – Part II Back in November my New Paradigm colleague Paul blogged about the impact of the Net on language, in particular noting the massive dominance of information [...]

]]> By: Economics of language & the “long tail” effect | Multidisciplinary perspectives http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-109237 Economics of language & the “long tail” effect | Multidisciplinary perspectives Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:44:14 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-109237 [...] and future of world languages. When I did a little research on this last fall, I came across an article on the Wikinomics blog that looked at the distribution of languages on the internet and posed questions re language [...] [...] and future of world languages. When I did a little research on this last fall, I came across an article on the Wikinomics blog that looked at the distribution of languages on the internet and posed questions re language [...]

]]> By: Wikinomics » Blog Archive » Bots that talk http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-72556 Wikinomics » Blog Archive » Bots that talk Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:41:14 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-72556 [...] the need for people to understand each other in order to travel, do business and learn. However, as I have written before, the internet is not yet particularly friendly to speakers of languages outside of English, Chinese [...] [...] the need for people to understand each other in order to travel, do business and learn. However, as I have written before, the internet is not yet particularly friendly to speakers of languages outside of English, Chinese [...]

]]> By: Don Osborn http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-62497 Don Osborn Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:13 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-62497 The quality of machine translation may improve more quickly than you suggest, but in any event that and the very interesting phenomenon of how the internet can link speakers (and learners) of less widely spoken languages are but pare of the "long tail" effect for languages. Another aspect is simply "lowering the bar" for use of diverse languages a range of ICTs, in various software (from wordprocessors to speech-to-text), and even in "traditional" media such as books. On the latter, the potential to produce digital content in any language that can be printed on-demand is a classic long-tail effect - the economic hurdles to production and distribution of books for minority languages are eliminated. Chris Anderson's point about the importance of the head of the distribution (English, Chinese, etc.) to accessing the tail is apropos here. Not just for learners. Native speakers of minority languages (for whom mantras of "you won't get a job speaking that" and even linguistic prejudice weigh heavily) have, in theory, a possibility of having the best of both worlds. The quality of machine translation may improve more quickly than you suggest, but in any event that and the very interesting phenomenon of how the internet can link speakers (and learners) of less widely spoken languages are but pare of the “long tail” effect for languages.

Another aspect is simply “lowering the bar” for use of diverse languages a range of ICTs, in various software (from wordprocessors to speech-to-text), and even in “traditional” media such as books. On the latter, the potential to produce digital content in any language that can be printed on-demand is a classic long-tail effect – the economic hurdles to production and distribution of books for minority languages are eliminated.

Chris Anderson’s point about the importance of the head of the distribution (English, Chinese, etc.) to accessing the tail is apropos here. Not just for learners. Native speakers of minority languages (for whom mantras of “you won’t get a job speaking that” and even linguistic prejudice weigh heavily) have, in theory, a possibility of having the best of both worlds.

]]> By: La langue d’internet | Michel Leblanc, M.Sc. commerce électronique. Marketing Internet, consultant, conférencier et auteur http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-56334 La langue d’internet | Michel Leblanc, M.Sc. commerce électronique. Marketing Internet, consultant, conférencier et auteur Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:47:39 +0000 http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/15/the-long-tail-of-languages/#comment-56334 [...] statistiques vues sur Wikinomics à propos de la langue des utilisateurs d’internet. On y apprend qu’il y a 59 [...] [...] statistiques vues sur Wikinomics à propos de la langue des utilisateurs d’internet. On y apprend qu’il y a 59 [...]

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